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		<title>By: bearfish</title>
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		<description>i would like to see a SFAA movie</description>
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		<title>By: Hal Amen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Amen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- It&#039;s interesting you went into film at the end, David, because your description of the time jumps up top had me thinking about movies already. The concept is appealing b/c seems it would leave the reader with a lot to be figuring out all the time, to piece together. And those are my favorite kinds of movies.

- Really enjoyed the inclusion of the music track. It went as well with your notes as I can imagine it going with the imaginary trailer.

- Like Julie, I&#039;m unfamiliar with Tao Lin&#039;s writing, but the excerpts here conjured &quot;Catcher in the Rye&quot; for me. Am I totally off base?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- It&#8217;s interesting you went into film at the end, David, because your description of the time jumps up top had me thinking about movies already. The concept is appealing b/c seems it would leave the reader with a lot to be figuring out all the time, to piece together. And those are my favorite kinds of movies.</p>
<p>- Really enjoyed the inclusion of the music track. It went as well with your notes as I can imagine it going with the imaginary trailer.</p>
<p>- Like Julie, I&#8217;m unfamiliar with Tao Lin&#8217;s writing, but the excerpts here conjured &#8220;Catcher in the Rye&#8221; for me. Am I totally off base?</p>
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		<title>By: david miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>david miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good observations julie. 

for some reason i&#039;ve always liked references to specific named things in old works--even if they were no longer relevant / recognized.  little mentions of saloon names or trading companies in Jack London stories come to mind. Farewell to Arms mentions names of bars, newspapers, i think. to me, having the story &#039;grounded&#039; in a particular time and place make it seem more, not less &#039;universal.&#039; 

but just going into mad detail about brand names in and of itself has been tried also. see American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. i couldn&#039;t really get into that book. 

&#039;wonder whether this kind of advice is even relevant anymore,&#039; hear you.  

honestly i feel sometimes like the only advice that seems relevant  is for writers to just write what they see / hear / feel / imagine in the way that they themselves would want to read. 

there&#039;s so little diversity when it comes to writing styles. think about art, music--how many different ways people express themselves. with writing it&#039;s so homogeneous. 

maybe because of all that advice we learned in school? 

i liked SFAA and wanted to study it because it seemed original. you can totally find influences like the ones I mentioned above, but overall it seemed like Tao Lin took whatever influences and synthesized them into something that was his own original expression, as you say, &#039;with little or no concern for the future.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good observations julie. </p>
<p>for some reason i&#8217;ve always liked references to specific named things in old works&#8211;even if they were no longer relevant / recognized.  little mentions of saloon names or trading companies in Jack London stories come to mind. Farewell to Arms mentions names of bars, newspapers, i think. to me, having the story &#8216;grounded&#8217; in a particular time and place make it seem more, not less &#8216;universal.&#8217; </p>
<p>but just going into mad detail about brand names in and of itself has been tried also. see American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. i couldn&#8217;t really get into that book. </p>
<p>&#8216;wonder whether this kind of advice is even relevant anymore,&#8217; hear you.  </p>
<p>honestly i feel sometimes like the only advice that seems relevant  is for writers to just write what they see / hear / feel / imagine in the way that they themselves would want to read. </p>
<p>there&#8217;s so little diversity when it comes to writing styles. think about art, music&#8211;how many different ways people express themselves. with writing it&#8217;s so homogeneous. </p>
<p>maybe because of all that advice we learned in school? </p>
<p>i liked SFAA and wanted to study it because it seemed original. you can totally find influences like the ones I mentioned above, but overall it seemed like Tao Lin took whatever influences and synthesized them into something that was his own original expression, as you say, &#8216;with little or no concern for the future.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops- that previous comment was from me (Julie)--was logged in as Ian; sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops- that previous comment was from me (Julie)&#8211;was logged in as Ian; sorry about that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David-

One of the things that strikes me about Tao Lin&#039;s writing (at least the excerpts you include here; I haven&#039;t read any of his work) is how grounded in the actual moment it is. I once had a writing teacher who insisted that this kind of temporality (the references to modern businesses, to smoothies, that kind of thing) would ultimately kill a work; its shelf life, he argued, wouldn&#039;t be long because it would be full of references that wouldn&#039;t make sense to a reader 10 or 50 years down the road. I wonder whether this kind of advice is even relevant anymore. How many writers are writing to produce &quot;classics&quot; and how many, like Lin, are writing to simply capture this moment and reflect upon it, with little or no concern for the future?</description>
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<p>One of the things that strikes me about Tao Lin&#8217;s writing (at least the excerpts you include here; I haven&#8217;t read any of his work) is how grounded in the actual moment it is. I once had a writing teacher who insisted that this kind of temporality (the references to modern businesses, to smoothies, that kind of thing) would ultimately kill a work; its shelf life, he argued, wouldn&#8217;t be long because it would be full of references that wouldn&#8217;t make sense to a reader 10 or 50 years down the road. I wonder whether this kind of advice is even relevant anymore. How many writers are writing to produce &#8220;classics&#8221; and how many, like Lin, are writing to simply capture this moment and reflect upon it, with little or no concern for the future?</p>
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