Comments on: Australia By the Numbers http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/ Featuring insider destination guides and how-to articles from the matador travel community. Our focus is sustainable travel, cultural immersion, plus work, study, and volunteer opportunities worldwide. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:45:29 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kaitlin Mills http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-3190 Kaitlin Mills Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:35 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-3190 Hey great article, it's such a different way to describe a place, but it really works. Hey great article, it’s such a different way to describe a place, but it really works.

]]> By: Carlo http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-3072 Carlo Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:12:23 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-3072 Yay...what did I win? :) Considering my love of coffee I really should learn more about it. It sounds fascinating. Sean, I wish most of the places I bought a coffee from had the same passion as you! Yay…what did I win? :)

Considering my love of coffee I really should learn more about it. It sounds fascinating. Sean, I wish most of the places I bought a coffee from had the same passion as you!

]]> By: Sean http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-3061 Sean Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:14:16 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-3061 "Flat white is pretty much a cappucino without froth… latte is more milky. Long black is just black coffee but the size of a standard cup - tha way it should be!!" Not quite - unfortunately, as in other parts of the world, Australia incorrectly sprinkles chocolate on top of a cappuccino. The brown on top of a cappuccino is supposed to be formed by the free pouring of milk and the shape of the cup forcing the 'crema' of the espresso shot up and around the edges of the milk. The first sip being coffee and not 'roadhouse froth'. So a "Flat White" is pretty much an (Australian) cappuccino with NO chocolate and only about 3mm of froth instead of 12 to 15mm of froth. Sydney's most established coffee house 'Campos Coffee' go so far as to teach their baristas that there is NO difference in milk texturing between a Flat White, Latte and a Cappuccino. I am not sure that I would agree with this. As for a 'long black' - it is not just 'black coffee' - this could be used to describe the day old drip brewed swill in a road house. A 'long black' can only be prepared using the espresso extraction method and is the direct equivalent to an Americano. Both can be prepared correctly or poorly. Hope that helps for your next trip. Cheers, Sean “Flat white is pretty much a cappucino without froth… latte is more milky. Long black is just black coffee but the size of a standard cup – tha way it should be!!”

Not quite – unfortunately, as in other parts of the world, Australia incorrectly sprinkles chocolate on top of a cappuccino. The brown on top of a cappuccino is supposed to be formed by the free pouring of milk and the shape of the cup forcing the ‘crema’ of the espresso shot up and around the edges of the milk. The first sip being coffee and not ‘roadhouse froth’.

So a “Flat White” is pretty much an (Australian) cappuccino with NO chocolate and only about 3mm of froth instead of 12 to 15mm of froth.

Sydney’s most established coffee house ‘Campos Coffee’ go so far as to teach their baristas that there is NO difference in milk texturing between a Flat White, Latte and a Cappuccino. I am not sure that I would agree with this.

As for a ‘long black’ – it is not just ‘black coffee’ – this could be used to describe the day old drip brewed swill in a road house. A ‘long black’ can only be prepared using the espresso extraction method and is the direct equivalent to an Americano. Both can be prepared correctly or poorly.

Hope that helps for your next trip.

Cheers,

Sean

]]> By: Sean http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-3060 Sean Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:00:37 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-3060 You are correct. A 'Flat White' is pretty much an aussie invention and is normally one shot of espresso (30ml) served in the same cup as a cappuccino - which is generally 180ml (6oz) - with only about 3mm of foam MAX. A latte is a single shot served in a 240ml (8oz) glass with around 10~12mm of foam - which is pretty much the same as it *should* be in most parts of the world. Some specialty coffee places use a 'ristretto dopio' (the first 40~50ml of a double shot) in a latte. As for a 'long black', that *should be* your good 'ol "Americano". Basically about 100mls of hot water in the 180ml cappuccino cup with a double ristretto (my preference) extracted over the TOP of the water (so many places add the water later) - if the coffee is at optimum freshness and extracted correctly, will give a rich golden crema floating on top of the beverage. Great article. Cheers, Sean You are correct.

A ‘Flat White’ is pretty much an aussie invention and is normally one shot of espresso (30ml) served in the same cup as a cappuccino – which is generally 180ml (6oz) – with only about 3mm of foam MAX.

A latte is a single shot served in a 240ml (8oz) glass with around 10~12mm of foam – which is pretty much the same as it *should* be in most parts of the world. Some specialty coffee places use a ‘ristretto dopio’ (the first 40~50ml of a double shot) in a latte.

As for a ‘long black’, that *should be* your good ‘ol “Americano”. Basically about 100mls of hot water in the 180ml cappuccino cup with a double ristretto (my preference) extracted over the TOP of the water (so many places add the water later) – if the coffee is at optimum freshness and extracted correctly, will give a rich golden crema floating on top of the beverage.

Great article.

Cheers,

Sean

]]> By: Tabatha http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-3029 Tabatha Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:07:51 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-3029 I really like the way you wrote this article! Hilarious and innovative, together at last! I really like the way you wrote this article! Hilarious and innovative, together at last!

]]> By: Nomadic Matt http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2959 Nomadic Matt Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:25:09 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2959 drunk monks? hilarious drunk monks? hilarious

]]> By: Christine http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2953 Christine Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:55:29 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2953 Too bad THIS North Cackalaki girl wasn't in Melbourne when you were there, the "Non-annoying" number would have hit 1 ;) Emus. One of those bastards almost took out a friend while we were in a park in Tassie. Wait, that was actually kind of funny. They're FUNNY bastards. Too bad THIS North Cackalaki girl wasn’t in Melbourne when you were there, the “Non-annoying” number would have hit 1 ;)

Emus. One of those bastards almost took out a friend while we were in a park in Tassie.

Wait, that was actually kind of funny. They’re FUNNY bastards.

]]> By: ace http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2927 ace Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:08:30 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2927 Flat white is pretty much a cappucino without froth... latte is more milky. Long black is just black coffee but the size of a standard cup - tha way it should be!! Haha our total population < pop'n Tokyo Carlo where are you headed on your trip? You gotta do the coastal drive between Sydney and Brisbane, its long but beautiful and has some awesome surf inbetween. Have mad fun :) As for craig giles.. AKA "Mr Versatile" (wtf?).. he can be spotted here wearing a dashing, mighty-fine mullet.. http://www.craigiles.com/frames.htm Flat white is pretty much a cappucino without froth… latte is more milky. Long black is just black coffee but the size of a standard cup – tha way it should be!!

Haha our total population < pop’n Tokyo

Carlo where are you headed on your trip? You gotta do the coastal drive between Sydney and Brisbane, its long but beautiful and has some awesome surf inbetween. Have mad fun :)

As for craig giles.. AKA “Mr Versatile” (wtf?).. he can be spotted here wearing a dashing, mighty-fine mullet.. http://www.craigiles.com/frames.htm

]]> By: Evan pyle http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2926 Evan pyle Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:51:18 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2926 Lol, I was at the Melbourne show and I used to go to school in Finley. This guy is about as famous as it gets out here, so famous in the 16 years I lived there I never heard his name. http://www.gumtreemusic.com.au/music/craig-giles/albums.aspx Lol, I was at the Melbourne show and I used to go to school in Finley.

This guy is about as famous as it gets out here, so famous in the 16 years I lived there I never heard his name.
http://www.gumtreemusic.com.au/music/craig-giles/albums.aspx

]]> By: Carlo http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2918 Carlo Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:48:37 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2918 I'll be campervanning around it for around 6 months mid next year. If you're around, drop me a line! I’ll be campervanning around it for around 6 months mid next year. If you’re around, drop me a line!

]]> By: Carlo http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2917 Carlo Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:47:34 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2917 Flat white is my coffee of choice. As far as I can tell, it's the same thing as a latte, just with less foam. And it's served in a shallow mug as opposed to a glass, which a latte is served in. I'm told that the mug is smaller than the glass, so the flat white is actually a stronger coffee (less milk). Don't know how true that is. Not sure what a long black is. My guess is it's two shots of espresso?? Flat white is my coffee of choice. As far as I can tell, it’s the same thing as a latte, just with less foam. And it’s served in a shallow mug as opposed to a glass, which a latte is served in. I’m told that the mug is smaller than the glass, so the flat white is actually a stronger coffee (less milk). Don’t know how true that is.

Not sure what a long black is. My guess is it’s two shots of espresso??

]]> By: del http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2913 del Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:28:38 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2913 "The number of emus that tore up the cone with food for the wallabies when I was trying to feed them: 2 On a scale of 1 to 10, the determination with which DJ declared, “They can’t mess with me,” when we’d had enough of the emu terror: 7" I had no idea emus were such jerks. Now I don't feel so bad about using their melted-down fat to help fight my aging skin. “The number of emus that tore up the cone with food for the wallabies when I was trying to feed them: 2

On a scale of 1 to 10, the determination with which DJ declared, “They can’t mess with me,” when we’d had enough of the emu terror: 7″

I had no idea emus were such jerks. Now I don’t feel so bad about using their melted-down fat to help fight my aging skin.

]]> By: MC Lars http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2912 MC Lars Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:45:15 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2912 Freaking weird - Australia is the most ginormous nation with the least amount of people. Some day I just want to explore the outback and feel what it's like to be so separated from everything!! Freaking weird – Australia is the most ginormous nation with the least amount of people. Some day I just want to explore the outback and feel what it’s like to be so separated from everything!!

]]> By: tom gates http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2911 tom gates Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:42:30 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2911 "Number of times I asked people about Alice Springs and was told that it was more expensive to fly there than to Asia: 5" it's SO WEIRD. they think it's practically impossible to get to a few of their own places. i wish i was there with you :( “Number of times I asked people about Alice Springs and was told that it was more expensive to fly there than to Asia: 5″ it’s SO WEIRD. they think it’s practically impossible to get to a few of their own places.

i wish i was there with you :(

]]> By: Julie http://thetravelersnotebook.com/by-the-numbers/australia-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-2909 Julie Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:28:40 +0000 http://thetravelersnotebook.com/?p=1963#comment-2909 So what is the difference between flat white and long black coffee? And Craig Giles--whoever he is--looks like he should join Matador's international mullet line up! So what is the difference between flat white and long black coffee? And Craig Giles–whoever he is–looks like he should join Matador’s international mullet line up!

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